HST/CWS

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Houston Astros Receive:

SS/2B/CF Trea Turner, Wash Nats '17 1.02, '18 2.04, '19 ARB1, '20 ARB 2, '21 ARB 3, '22 UFA
SP Bartolo Colon, Atlanta Braves '17 12.5, '18 UFA

Chicago White Sox Receive:

RF Kyle Tucker, Houston Astros '17 0.200 ML Deal
SP Chris Tillman, Baltimore Orioles '17 10.05, '18 UFA
SP Albert Abreu, New York Yankees '17 0.200 ML Deal

Houston trades top hitting prospect Kyle Tucker, solid Yankees starting prospect Albert Abreu, and Orioles top starter Chris Tillman to land the Nationals SS Trea Turner and old man river Bartolo Colon. Bringing in Turner gives us more flexibility in the roster and young immediate bat. Colon is well, Colon. He seems to defy time and logic. He churns out innings and helps fill the hole of Tillman leaving. Hopefully the big boy has 6 more months in him. Tucker to me is one of the top hitting prospects in all of the minors currently, and should be showcasing his smooth left handed stroke on an excellent Astros team within a few years. Abreu has the look to develop into a starter for the Yanks whose rotation greatly needs a youth infusion. Abreu can slot into that rotation if his upwards trend continues and be on a team that will be bursting with youth at multiple positions and salted with vets from the 2018 F/A class. Tillman is a steady vet who is hitting his prime. His arm is structurally sound and he should be back by mid May. When on his game he flirts with ace appeal.

Reasoning:

1. Chris Tillman- A very good sp that once he’s healthy will be the number one in Baltimore. The only issue here is that right now he is on the DL. By all news accounts his arm is structurally sound and will be back in this season. Once is his fully healthy, his trade value will rocket. He is also on a team friendly deal at 10m and can be simply resigned at 20m after the season is over. While 20m is a lot of cash, with the amount of free agent money after the year and a lot of teams having a lot of cap space, and judging by bidding happening on minor leaguers 20 million will probably be cheaper than if you resigned him in free agency.

Sp has great value in this league. Especially ones you can lock up at a price that isn’t 25+.

If Tillman did not have an injury, I doubt he would have fell as far as he did.
Tillman is a sp that has very good value moving forward to a team that can afford to wait like the White Sox or they can simply trade him for even more value in the future.

2. Kyle Tucker- One of the most exciting prospects in the minor leagues right now. He has all the tools to succeed and is a top 20 ranked prospect in Baseball America. He is probably 2 years out from MLB and he is already ranked very high and on an astro teams that has great hitters. I do not think I need to go into more detail. Most should know who this guy is.

3. Albert Abrue- Currently the NYY 10th prospect in the system. For a yankee teams that needs young arms Abrue should see the field as soon as he’s ready. He has a FB that is in the high 90s.  Scouts are very high on him. During the Mcann trade with the Astros, the Yankees were excited to get him. Every baseball site and news are very high on Abrue and project him to be at least a top 3 rotation guy which makes this guy more valuable as he gets closer.

4. Trea Turner- A promising superstar in the making. Should be obvious.

5. Bartello Colon- Old pitcher of limited value. Who knows when he will retire or get hurt. only on a 1 year deal.

Reasons-

Astros reasons for trading the players. We were willing to give up a great sp, great hitting prospect, and a very solid sp prospect to get value now. In 2 years this deal would not happen remotely. We also drafted with sp in mind and Tillman for us is a piece that can be traded because of our sps.

The White Sox are getting 3 players one they can either use now or decide to trade when Tillman’s value is skyhigh, and 2 players they can build around in the future..

So what the Astros are giving up is a great sp that can be resigned or traded in the future, one of the top hitting prospects in baseball, and a solid sp prospect that will be in baseball Americas top 100 list by next year. The top 200 list one organization put out has Abrue 101.

We also based our offer on the Rizzo deal that happened.


Kyle Lewis is the 34th prospect, Kevin Newman 55, Aj puk 83 and Justin Bour.

Our deal Is Chris Tillman who is a great sp, Kyle Tucker the 19th prospect and abrue the 101st prospect.

It’s different but similar. My argument is that Tillman’s value is greater than Bours and the adjustment was made reflecting that. If you do not have good sp, It will be hard to win the league.

Good deal for both teams. You may not like the deal, many don’t agree with most of the deals that happen, but it is fair.

[Chicago White Sox]

My reasoning was simple. The previous owner already left this team in tatters. I knew I couldn't win this season and needed good prospects. I got a top hitting prospect in tucker, a top pitching prospect in Abreu plus a top tier up and coming major league pitcher. In return I gave up turner who in my opinion is an up and coming star but essentially replaced him with 2.5 players. The other .5 of the player was for colon who pitched the same day as 2 of the other 3 pitchers on this roster so he does me zero good plus he's in his 40's. I didn't see offers on the chat and only saw offers through email and text because they are immediate. I see this trade as fair and would appreciate in the future to not be accused of collusion and be contacted directly.

[Colorado Rockies]

First--thanks to both teams for the responses and reasoning on the trade.

The trade committee has voted 5/5 to veto the trade.

Every member mentioned that they did not like vetoes and think they should be very rare except in obvious cases of collusion or in instances where allowing the trade will result in a negative effect to the integrity of the league. To explain the committee responses it will need to be broken into 2 parts--1. the players involved 2. The process of the trade.

1. Players involved:
There was questions on why a rebuilding team would trade the most valuable piece they have to build around but did not feel like that in itself is a reason to veto if the owner felt trading that piece would accelerate the rebuilding process. Also committee members do not want to place restrictions on who can or cannot be traded.
1. Turner is TC player, likely perennial all-star at a premium position that will able to be signed long term for cheap in 2 years. The overall feeling is that this type of player should result in an exceptional return.
2. Tillman--he is a SP but is currently injured and does not offer any immediate value and his future value as much more than Colon. Both are on one year contracts, Colon scored more points in this system than Tillman in 3 of the last 4 years, Tillman is younger.
3. Tucker--nobody questioned this part--a top prospect. One part that was mentioned was that he is a couple of years away.
4. Abreu--Wide variety of thoughts on him. The responses ranged from a strong prospect to a throw-in. The main concern is his projected role as a SP or RP.
Overall--Some good and bad aspects but overall not fair value for a player like Turner. But it was made worse by the process of the trade and that is where committee members felt the veto was warranted.

2. Collusion
1. All members felt HOU gained an unfair advantage due to the new owner not having/taking the time to understand the league and respond to offers through the various methods commonly used thus far in this league (groupme being the most common)
2. While no one wants a policy that all players must be shopped publicly before accepting a trade, the change in ownership caused a bad "feel" for this particular trade. The previous owner let the league know he was shopping Turner, responded to others, negotiated with several teams.
3. Current owner--only negotiated with one team stating that they were the only team to contact them via phone when they were not busy. Other owners have stated that they attempted to contact the owner through the channels available to them and did not receive a response. This led to an unfair negotiation advantage to HOU--AND THIS IS THE BIGGEST ISSUE CONCERNING THE TRADE FROM THE COMMITTEE PERSPECTIVE (sorry for the caps but I wanted this to stand out). The feeling is that this was not intentional but it is what happened and does not feel/look good.
4. SEVERAL COMMITTEE MEMBERS WANT TO BE CLEAR THAT THEY FEEL COLLUSION DID NOT OCCUR--JUST THE APPEARANCE OF IT.

Based the above the trade was vetoed due to the possible negative effect on the integrity of the league as well as HOU having an unfair advantage in negotiations. The CHW are able to trade Turner if they want to do that--there will never be restrictions on if a team can trade a player. It is obvious several teams made offers for Turner. The committee requests that if CHW wants to continue negotiations for Turner that he include and negotiate with all interested teams to get the return he feels is best for his team.

[Colorado Rockies]

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